Thursday Dec 20, 201212:58 PM GMT
US imperialism seeks destabilization and destruction of Syria: Caleb Maupin
Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:57PM
Interview with Caleb Maupin, International Action Center
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What these rebels are doing is outrageous and we need to stand against that and I am not going to sit here and talk about both sides. The two sides going on in there is US imperialism which is seeking to destabilize and destroy a country and there is those who oppose it... When countries around the world like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Russia have solidarity between each other in their effort to fight foreign domination and solidarity come together and have a united global fight against the Western banks and corporations that try to dominate the world, that is in no way the same thing as when the US sends terrorist thugs to commit crimes and destabilize and overthrow governments.”

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An American activist believes that the US imperialism is seeking to destabilize and destroy Syria by sending terrorists in there in order to commit horrific crimes against Syrian nations.


Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011. Many people, including large numbers of army and security personnel, have been killed in the turmoil. The Syrian government says the chaos is being orchestrated from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the militants operating in the country are foreign nationals.

Press TV has conducted an interview with Caleb Maupin, with the International Action Center in New York, to further talk over the issue. The video also offers the opinions of two additional guests: Sharif Nashashibi, chairman of the Arab Media Watch in London, and James Jatras who is the former US Senate Foreign Policy analyst in Washington. What follows is an approximate transcript of the interview.

Press TV: 2012 is almost over and tens of thousands of innocent people have died in Syria; the insurgents responsible for many of these deaths. How much of this lies squarely on their foreign backed supporters, like the United States, Qatar and Saudi Arabia?

Maupin: Any notion that this is some kind of domestic uprising in Syria should be thoroughly refuted by the facts that we have seen now. The money is coming from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia which is a US client state; money is also coming from Turkey which is a member of NATO; the British are training these rebels and giving them aid; German submarines are providing intelligence.

This is a Western-backed regime change operation, plain and simple. The Syrian government is a part of a world alliance of countries that are standing up to the United States whether it is Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, China.

They are in a world alliance against the banks and corporations that have run the world for so long and the Western corporations do not like that and they are creating violence and chaos in Syria in order to destabilize that government and impose their will.

We have seen what happens. Whenever the US overthrows these governments, things get worse. In Libya, look at Libya. They had the highest life expectancy on the African continent and now they have been destroyed.

We need to stand and oppose the US intervention in Syria which is all this is. This is not a domestic uprising; this is US intervention; it is the same thing that was done in Nicaragua with the countries.

These rebels are horrible. They have been cutting people’s heads off, beheading people, forcing children to behead people. These are mass murderers in Syria; these are terrorists and we need to oppose them and the people in the United States need to realize that it is not in our interest to support our government in destabilizing the Syria state.

Press TV: Caleb Maupin, our guest Sharif Nashashibi in London had questions about your statements. Do you have a response to him?

Maupin: Absolutely, I would be happy to respond to that. The way you can tell that this is not a domestic uprising is by the fact that the rebels continue to call for NATO intervention because they do not have support on the ground.

Just like in Libya, whenever they were forced to face the Libyan government, the Libyan rebels all of a sudden called for Western intervention because that was the only way they could win.

They do not have mass support and we see this in Syria, you know, repeated calls. Whenever they are forced to actually fight the Assad forces, they lose. So now they want NATO and the US to come in and do it for them. It is US-Western intervention.

This debate is not a debate about Assad; this is a debate about whether the US imperialist have the right to go in and destroy Syria. That is what I am upset about. I do not want to have a debate about whether the Assad regime did this or that. I am talking about the US.

The US has its guns pointed at the Syrian people and it is time to stand against that threat. My tax dollars, as a person living in the United States, are going to fund one of the most ruthless murderers, these Syrian rebels that are going around cutting people’s heads off. I am opposed to that. I am standing against that and I do not think the Syrian people have to pass some tests before I oppose what these rebels are doing.

What these rebels are doing is outrageous and we need to stand against that and I am not going to sit here and talk about both sides. The two sides going on in there is US imperialism which is seeking to destabilize and destroy a country and there is those who oppose it and I am one of those people who opposes what the US does around the world. I am against the US.

Press TV: Caleb Maupin, you made a very interesting point there that you do not want to talk about Assad and you want to talk about the fact the your tax dollars are paying these insurgents to fight inside Syria. Expand more on that for us.

Maupin: It is very interesting when people try to equate what is going on with the US aid. When countries around the world like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Russia have solidarity between each other in their effort to fight foreign domination and solidarity come together and have a united global fight against the Western banks and corporations that try to dominate the world, that is in no way the same thing as when the US sends terrorist thugs to commit crimes and destabilize and overthrow governments.

The fact that the other guest would equate those things is disgusting. I mean it is not the same thing. The Western banks and corporations, Wall Street runs the world and they enforce their rule with murder around the world, with drone strikes, with rebel terrorists killing people and the people of the world are uniting to oppose that with different ideologies, different religions where they all stand against the Western imperialists and that is a beautiful thing and it is nothing like what Washington DC and Wall Street are doing.

Press TV: Now we have reports of this Turkish official that 10 thousand Taliban militants are being trained in Turkey in Hatay province to carry out attacks against government forces inside Syria.

Maupin: It is interesting that the other guest’s criticism of the Assad regime has nothing to do with democracy but if you ever look at these rebels, the idea that they would set up some kind of democracy is outrageous. Just look at what they are doing and what they are saying.

These are not forces that want anything that would be any better for Syria than what is already there. They would be far far far worse and on top of that, I believe that every country in this world has the right to self-determination and the right to resist domination by the Western banks and corporations by Wall Street which runs the world and I do not think that people have to pass any political ideological test in order to resist foreign domination and foreign oppression.

So the people of Syria have the absolute right to resist this US-backed, this US operation of destabilizing the country and that is all there is to it and if he wants to make it about something else, he can do that but that is not the viewpoint that the people around the world have.

People see what the US has done to the world; they see what the banks and corporations have to offer and they are rejecting it and that is a beautiful thing.

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